Went out of Reno Beach 3.7 miles 4 guys caught 94 perch. 2 guys used spreaders with bling and no bling. 2 others used the new crappie ring with the fake fly that is supposed to mimic a spiny water flea. We all caught about the same. Seems u need to leave your line slack and have them inhale and swim with it for a few then set the hook. Longer leaders on your hooks seem to be better. 25lbs at cleaners. Very average size but many were catching from the Toledo intake to the light house.